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Coyote_Fan
09-09-2006, 10:50 PM
DIAA is not that much better than D2. The athletes aren't much better. The speed isn't much faster. Many of you claimed that D1AA was on such an upper echelon compared to D2. It's simply not true, at least not to the level that so many of you wanted to believe.

UND is a team that just won at one of your very best D1AA teams in Northern Iowa. Last season UND was lucky to even stay in the game at USD. Chadron friggin State just beat Montana St. Chadron fricken state, an RMAC school. If UND would have been home they would have likely beaten UNI by about 3 touchdowns. D2 is doing this in D1AA's own backyards.

I think alot of thinks have been settled with a huge exclamation point. This is becoming more than just a random upset here and there.

A significant number of SDSU fans lost respect for the level of football being played in the upper level of D2. As a Coyote fan it's likely that they will move up too but I will never lose respect for D2 football.

jackmd
09-09-2006, 11:28 PM
DIAA is not that much better than D2. The athletes aren't much better. The speed isn't much faster. Many of you claimed that D1AA was on such an upper echelon compared to D2. It's simply not true, at least not to the level that so many of you wanted to believe.

UND is a team that just won at one of your very best D1AA teams in Northern Iowa. Last season UND was lucky to even stay in the game at USD. Chadron friggin State just beat Montana St. Chadron fricken state, an RMAC school. If UND would have been home they would have likely beaten UNI by about 3 touchdowns. D2 is doing this in D1AA's own backyards.

I think alot of thinks have been settled with a huge exclamation point. This is becoming more than just a random upset here and there.

A significant number of SDSU fans lost respect for the level of football being played in the upper level of D2. As a Coyote fan it's likely that they will move up too but I will never lose respect for D2 football.

Really tough to post something like this after the fact. If there is no difference why make a change? A couple of examples does not reality make. This takes nothing away from Chadron St. or UND but sweeping generalizations are rarely approrpriate and certainly aren't appropriate here. I think even you understand that.

RodentiaX1
09-10-2006, 12:06 AM
You'll change your tune once USD makes up its ming to move to D-I. D-I is a higher level of competition than is D-I. That's not just settled with an "exclamation point", it's written in stone. This doesn't mean that there is an insurmountable gulf between the divisions or that lower-division teams can't defeat higher-division teams, but D-I is a higher level of competition.

D2 is doing this in D1AA's own backyards.

Not at all surprising, since higher-division teams don't play lower-division teams on the road.

trueblue
09-10-2006, 09:53 AM
So, Coyote Fan, I suppose you then believe that Chadron St. could go in to Colorado and beat the Buffs, too? If Colorado later beats the Huskers, would Chadron St and Montana St. also beat the Huskers? There are times when a team is not as motivated as they should be to play an opponent, and by the time the better team realizes it, the lower team has proven to itself that it can beat the higher team and play better than they actually could on a week by week basis. The mind is a powerful thing. Upsets happen. You cannot judge teams and divisions based on one week or just a few select games. In all games of I-AA vs. II this year what is the overall record?

gojacksgo
09-10-2006, 11:47 AM
Last year

UNI 49 Minnesota Duluth 14 - A playoff team lost to UNI by 35 points last year...

Can a D2 beat a D1-aa on a given day? Yes, and this year it seems to be happening much more, but 1-aa also seems to be beating 1-A more often this year too - no numbers to back that up though.

Upsets happen, and not to take anything away from UND, but even they look at yesterday's win as an upset. Look at what happen the year before though with a d2 playoff team - they got run out of the building. That will happen much of the time, but this time UND took it at UNI and pulled it off.

I do agree that some of the posters here have lost respect for D2 football. D2 is still very good towards the top - The top 10 could go play against a Top 10 in 1-AA and have a decent shot at winning every time, but most of the time, the 1-AA team will pull it off.

Is D2 better than D1-AA? Absolutely not.

NightHawk78
09-10-2006, 12:15 PM
If there is such little difference between I-AA and D-2 football, why hasn't USD scheduled a I-AA team instead of the cupcakes known as Qunicy and Crookston?

gojacksgo
09-10-2006, 12:58 PM
I believe USD was on the UNI Schedule(which UND eventually took the place of).

I'm not sure what happened to stop it from happening though.

Rabbitlivinginverm
09-10-2006, 01:49 PM
I believe USD was on the UNI Schedule(which UND eventually took the place of).

I'm not sure what happened to stop it from happening though.

USD couldn't, or didn't want to, get out of the Minn.-Crookston game. I would imagine the didn't want to b/c they could have bought out the Crookston game and made plenty from the UNI guarantee to off-set that cost. I suppose they also wanted a home game and a for sure Win to help there playoff chances.

Jacked_Up
09-10-2006, 03:19 PM
A win against Crookston shouldn't help any team's playoff chances. The mere act of a good team like USD scheduling a Crookston instead of a quality game should be be viewed as a negative when playoff teams are selected.

bisonbacker
09-10-2006, 04:26 PM
DIAA is not that much better than D2. The athletes aren't much better. The speed isn't much faster. Many of you claimed that D1AA was on such an upper echelon compared to D2. It's simply not true, at least not to the level that so many of you wanted to believe.

UND is a team that just won at one of your very best D1AA teams in Northern Iowa. Last season UND was lucky to even stay in the game at USD. Chadron friggin State just beat Montana St. Chadron fricken state, an RMAC school. If UND would have been home they would have likely beaten UNI by about 3 touchdowns. D2 is doing this in D1AA's own backyards.

I think alot of thinks have been settled with a huge exclamation point. This is becoming more than just a random upset here and there.

A significant number of SDSU fans lost respect for the level of football being played in the upper level of D2. As a Coyote fan it's likely that they will move up too but I will never lose respect for D2 football.

I think one thing has been settled and that is your an idiot who can't type or spell. ;D

SiouxFallsJack
09-10-2006, 04:40 PM
A win against Crookston shouldn't help any team's playoff chances. The mere act of a good team like USD scheduling a Crookston instead of a quality game should be be viewed as a negative when playoff teams are selected.



Isn't that the same problem they faced with last years schedule.

Coyote_Fan
09-10-2006, 06:50 PM
DIAA is not that much better than D2. The athletes aren't much better. The speed isn't much faster. Many of you claimed that D1AA was on such an upper echelon compared to D2. It's simply not true, at least not to the level that so many of you wanted to believe.

UND is a team that just won at one of your very best D1AA teams in Northern Iowa. Last season UND was lucky to even stay in the game at USD. Chadron friggin State just beat Montana St. Chadron fricken state, an RMAC school. If UND would have been home they would have likely beaten UNI by about 3 touchdowns. D2 is doing this in D1AA's own backyards.

I think alot of thinks have been settled with a huge exclamation point. This is becoming more than just a random upset here and there.

A significant number of SDSU fans lost respect for the level of football being played in the upper level of D2. As a Coyote fan it's likely that they will move up too but I will never lose respect for D2 football.

I think one thing has been settled and that is your an idiot who can't type or spell. ;D

I though personal attacks weren't tolerated in this forum.

filbert
09-10-2006, 09:46 PM
DIAA is not that much better than D2. The athletes aren't much better. The speed isn't much faster. Many of you claimed that D1AA was on such an upper echelon compared to D2. It's simply not true, at least not to the level that so many of you wanted to believe.

UND is a team that just won at one of your very best D1AA teams in Northern Iowa. Last season UND was lucky to even stay in the game at USD. Chadron friggin State just beat Montana St. Chadron fricken state, an RMAC school. If UND would have been home they would have likely beaten UNI by about 3 touchdowns. D2 is doing this in D1AA's own backyards.

I think alot of thinks have been settled with a huge exclamation point. This is becoming more than just a random upset here and there.

A significant number of SDSU fans lost respect for the level of football being played in the upper level of D2. As a Coyote fan it's likely that they will move up too but I will never lose respect for D2 football.

I think one thing has been settled and that is your an idiot who can't type or spell. ;D

I though personal attacks weren't tolerated in this forum.


From the Admin:

I concur, the personal attack was beyond the pale. For now, Bisonbacker is informally admonished. Please don't make it a habit.

I will leave the thread unedited as an example of how NOT to smack.

Humor and wit, people, humor and wit.

"If you're post is just an attack, it ain't smack."

jackrabit1
09-11-2006, 08:09 AM
From the Admin:

"If you're post is just an attack, it ain't smack."

From the Johhny Cochrane school of Moderation, right, Filbert? LOL

Haldersham
09-11-2006, 08:20 AM
You got to admit this is a very crazy season so far. Montana State upsets Colorado and then goes home to a loss to Chadron State. UND beats UNI.

Delta State nips Stephen A Austin. New Hampshire takes care of B10 Northwestern. There are others too. So draw your own conclusions.

BTW I am enjoying the USD Coyote board. Some coyote guy says the USD staff came to Brookings to get ideas from our games, and that is where they picked up tailgating. Also he claims all the SDSU fans are now coming to the Dakota Dome for games as SDSU is too awful to watch. Granted the first games have not been fun, but I dont I will ever point my car south to go to Vermillion.

Yote53
09-12-2006, 01:43 PM
You got to admit this is a very crazy season so far. Montana State upsets Colorado and then goes home to a loss to Chadron State. UND beats UNI.

Delta State nips Stephen A Austin. New Hampshire takes care of B10 Northwestern. There are others too. So draw your own conclusions.

BTW I am enjoying the USD Coyote board. Some coyote guy says the USD staff came to Brookings to get ideas from our games, and that is where they picked up tailgating. Also he claims all the SDSU fans are now coming to the Dakota Dome for games as SDSU is too awful to watch. Granted the first games have not been fun, but I dont I will ever point my car south to go to Vermillion.

I got a kick out of that to. The tailgate thing is a BOR deal. The last two years has seen a big increase in tailgating, to the point last year students had a bus ala "the magic bus" in Iowa City if you've ever been there. Anyways, it was getting a little crazy for a "dry" campus, so we took a page from your book with the tailgate zone. Personally, i hate it, but what do you do?

Now for serious stuff. I would buy your argument about the week in week out grind of D1aa football if you practiced what you preach. Your schedule this year contaons D3 and NAIA schools. Oh, and Central Ark, a 1aa school who also has games with both USD and Augie. You know it and I know it, toplevel D2 football is good. UND is good, USD is good. There is good football played and the top teams can and do compete with 1aa schools. I know this much, when that UND score came down, many at USD started rethinking that trip to UCA as a game that instead of us representing well, that we had a good shot at winning it.

jackmd
09-12-2006, 02:12 PM
I got a kick out of that to. The tailgate thing is a BOR deal. The last two years has seen a big increase in tailgating, to the point last year students had a bus ala "the magic bus" in Iowa City if you've ever been there. Anyways, it was getting a little crazy for a "dry" campus, so we took a page from your book with the tailgate zone. Personally, i hate it, but what do you do?

Now for serious stuff. I would buy your argument about the week in week out grind of D1aa football if you practiced what you preach. Your schedule this year contaons D3 and NAIA schools. Oh, and Central Ark, a 1aa school who also has games with both USD and Augie. You know it and I know it, toplevel D2 football is good. UND is good, USD is good. There is good football played and the top teams can and do compete with 1aa schools. I know this much, when that UND score came down, many at USD started rethinking that trip to UCA as a game that instead of us representing well, that we had a good shot at winning it.

Agree with you on these points. I am interested to see what Coach Meierkort can do against what is reported to be a previously solid DII program moving up. I must admit I wasn't much interested in USD during the Austin era, except when they play SDSU, and not interested the last 2 years given the activity at SDSU. However, I am curious to see the result of this trip. When I spoke to Coach he was taking the high road, expecting to bet beat but wanting to represent. I wish the Coyotes the best.

All we can hope is that Stig can turn things around, the sooner the better or it will be a painfully long season. Time will tell.