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rabidrabbit
10-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Da Panthers come to CAS with the UNI/NDSU cockiness that has led to opportunities for the Jacks. SDSU is 17-24 vs UNI over the years, but have the 1 win in 2009, which is the ONLY D-I loss that UNI has suffered at the hands on a D-I Dakota team.

Jacks are growing and adjusting. Panthers are the pre-season favorites for the conference title, and they haven't demonstrated that they won't win it.

TIME for some TAILGATING. THEN CHEER on the JACKS TO A WIN. Nice day here in Brookings. Upper 50's high overcast, and limited winds. FOOTBALL WEATHER.

I'M here from toasty Nawlins, so be on the look out for a white AGS (Any Given Saturday) capped guy in the tailgate and say high!

MinnJack
10-15-2011, 04:29 PM
The Collegian will host a live-blog starting at 5:15 p.m.:

http://www.sdsucollegian.com/2011/10/14/live-blog-sdsu-football-vs-uni/

Danger41
10-15-2011, 06:28 PM
Don't know if this will work, but http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/source/espn3/id/264906/size/condensed/ is a direct link to the streaming game on Espn360.com

Go Jacks!!!

KUlawJack
10-15-2011, 06:31 PM
Terrible terrible throw for a pick. Our D looks decent. UNI is the dirtiest chippiest team I've ever seen.

Danger41
10-15-2011, 06:51 PM
Sumner's making me a believer!

Danger41
10-15-2011, 06:59 PM
2 Jackrabbit turnovers = 2 UNI TD's. Don't have to be Lombardi to figure that one out.

da_coach
10-15-2011, 08:47 PM
Tough game, fellas. Very good team.

In other better news... Youngstown beat So. Illinois in Carbondale. So we have a good chance in that game.

KUlawJack
10-15-2011, 08:55 PM
UNI is good but I think NDSU is much better (strictly based on watching them against the goofs). We had opportunities galore and turned it over and gave up boneheaded plays on D. No one to blame but ourselves for the final score. No doubt we have a team that can compete, they just need to be coached up.. Except our middle linebacker's pass defense when we run 2 deep. Mike lien got abused because he got sucked up and couldn't recover on his drop. Doesn't hurt that Rennie can apparently throw it too.So frustrating. I really don't like UNI.

Kemo
10-15-2011, 09:22 PM
Well, we played with them for 3 quarters, but overall just too many mistakes to win against a team as good as UNI.

Sumner looked like a talented freshman tonight, but a freshman none-the-less. He made some good reads and had the #2 defense in the country on their heels in the first half, but the mistakes ultimately dampered an otherwise gutsy performance. UNI is well coached and made the halftime adjustments to take away what was working in the first half, and you could tell Austin didn't adjust well to it. These are the growing pains of a young QB going against a veteren defense, but ultimately Sumner will be better because of it.

Defense showed up for about 85% of the plays, but WOW the blown assignments are frustrating to see week in and week out. I thought going into the game the Jacks needed to make Rennie beat them with his arm, but when I came to that conclusion I meant make Rennie beat 1v1 coverage, not 1v0 coverage. The game gives me hope for the future in terms of physical talent, but raises questions about the mental side of things.

Playoffs are now officially out of the question, so lets hope players work hard to develop as much as possible. Finish the season strong so we can carry it over to the start of next season.

Nidaros
10-15-2011, 09:45 PM
Not much to add, a few plays away from beating the NO2 team in FCS. Boothsby No 43 on defense went down in the final series of the game. I had left the game and was listening on WNAX. I agree with Tyler who questioned why UNI had left their starters in the game with a two score lead. It seems like bad things happen when you leave the starters in longer then necessary. Any reports on Boothsby? He seems to be a tough nose guard.

JackFan96
10-15-2011, 11:52 PM
Aside from the obvious critical mistakes, and there were too many, we played well in the first half. The D had a relatively good night aside from the bomb...Luxa, I assume, as he does that weekly. Sorry if I'm wrong on that. Some progress, though. Good to see. Bowers and Lien played well. Sumner showed some promise, but there were too many picks. At least none were run back. Zenner is going to be a big stud. Don't know who 77 was on the O line, but he got destroyed every play he was in. He's not even on the program roster. I kid you not. Rollin had an up and down night. Nice stats, but at least three dropped balls. And I think he had the fumble, too. Too many penalties. Jeez. And just no breaks, either. In addition to putting all the blame on the players, as he always does, Stig seemed to take a shot at the fans on WNAX after the game. It sure sounded to me like he was unimpressed with 11,000-plus showing up to watch a two-win team on a state holiday (pheasant opener). It was strange. I wish there would have been more, too, but considering history, I was satisfied with attendance. Offensive play calling seems more diverse. Good to see. Sitting where I do and having a good view, it seems the special teams coach struggles with getting things organized and communication. Fingers crossed for next weekend. Fewer turnovers and another solid D effort and I think we give ourselves a chance in a big rivalry game. GBGBGJ!

JackFan96
10-15-2011, 11:57 PM
UNI is good but I think NDSU is much better (strictly based on watching them against the goofs). We had opportunities galore and turned it over and gave up boneheaded plays on D. No one to blame but ourselves for the final score. No doubt we have a team that can compete, they just need to be coached up.. Except our middle linebacker's pass defense when we run 2 deep. Mike lien got abused because he got sucked up and couldn't recover on his drop. Doesn't hurt that Rennie can apparently throw it too.So frustrating. I really don't like UNI. Not sure if the Goofers can be used as a measuring stick as they are very, very bad. Very bad. It'll all play out soon enough, though. UNI and NDSU would be fun to watch...even if we hang a loss on the Bison first. :-) OK...long shot, I know. I can dream.

shot_5533
10-16-2011, 01:46 AM
Aside from the obvious critical mistakes, and there were too many, we played well in the first half. The D had a relatively good night aside from the bomb...Luxa, I assume, as he does that weekly. Sorry if I'm wrong on that. Some progress, though. Good to see. Bowers and Lien played well. Sumner showed some promise, but there were too many picks. At least none were run back. Zenner is going to be a big stud. Don't know who 77 was on the O line, but he got destroyed every play he was in. He's not even on the program roster. I kid you not. Rollin had an up and down night. Nice stats, but at least three dropped balls. And I think he had the fumble, too. Too many penalties. Jeez. And just no breaks, either. In addition to putting all the blame on the players, as he always does, Stig seemed to take a shot at the fans on WNAX after the game. It sure sounded to me like he was unimpressed with 11,000-plus showing up to watch a two-win team on a state holiday (pheasant opener). It was strange. I wish there would have been more, too, but considering history, I was satisfied with attendance. Offensive play calling seems more diverse. Good to see. Sitting where I do and having a good view, it seems the special teams coach struggles with getting things organized and communication. Fingers crossed for next weekend. Fewer turnovers and another solid D effort and I think we give ourselves a chance in a big rivalry game. GBGBGJ!

Meadows was insane with the O line. No chance next week if he continues. He had a back up left tackle playing left guard on the last series. #71 had two major penalties when he was playing center. It almost appears as if the coaches have given up on the season. What do you think? Why doesn't Stig reign Meadows in?A good head coach would step in and put a stop to Meadows nuttiness. Neither one will have a job in a couple of years if they keep this stuff up. This was a very unproffesional job with the O line tonight. Not something other D I coaches would be doing.

goon
10-16-2011, 01:49 AM
Another game where we were our own worst enemy. I had more to say but some how deleted it. Just imo we looked like the better team in the first half and felt uni was lucky to have a lead but they are a good team and took advantage of our mistakes.

Second half they made adustments that workd. Ours didn't. Sumner had a hard time because they were on our routes ans wrs really well in 2nd half. Way to many costly penalties.

D looked good when agressive. Just got worn out and lost its fire. Missed tackles and getting dragged by the other team as they get a first down even when hit well before the line is getting old.

The whole team should be in pink jerseys next week except our punter who flat out imo gets team mvp. Ouch that was tough to say. But its true. Most consistant performer.

bub94
10-16-2011, 01:56 AM
Couple of plays really killed us. The 57 yard run, 80 yard TD pass, blown call on punt touchback/invisible pass interference stick out. But the even more frustrating thing to me is the penalties. Couple of the interceptions were headslappers(Moss had his defender outsized by at least 6 inches so why not throw the corner pass to him to outjump his defender???). Moss had an awesome catch in the first half. But the wideouts dropped a few too many balls. Punting game was solid. Also didn't like the whole theory of if a play works one time, let's run it the very next play. Also noticed the coaches finally realized we leave the middle of the field wide open so they started to drop someone back to the middle of the field in the second half (a couple games to late).

mitchellrabbit
10-16-2011, 05:58 AM
Aside from the obvious critical mistakes, and there were too many, we played well in the first half. The D had a relatively good night aside from the bomb...Luxa, I assume, as he does that weekly. Sorry if I'm wrong on that. Some progress, though. Good to see. Bowers and Lien played well. Sumner showed some promise, but there were too many picks. At least none were run back. Zenner is going to be a big stud. Don't know who 77 was on the O line, but he got destroyed every play he was in. He's not even on the program roster. I kid you not. Rollin had an up and down night. Nice stats, but at least three dropped balls. And I think he had the fumble, too. Too many penalties. Jeez. And just no breaks, either. In addition to putting all the blame on the players, as he always does, Stig seemed to take a shot at the fans on WNAX after the game. It sure sounded to me like he was unimpressed with 11,000-plus showing up to watch a two-win team on a state holiday (pheasant opener). It was strange. I wish there would have been more, too, but considering history, I was satisfied with attendance. Offensive play calling seems more diverse. Good to see. Sitting where I do and having a good view, it seems the special teams coach struggles with getting things organized and communication. Fingers crossed for next weekend. Fewer turnovers and another solid D effort and I think we give ourselves a chance in a big rivalry game. GBGBGJ!


Why shouldnt he blame the players? How many fumbles, interceptions and penalties did Stig have?

Just in the crowd
10-16-2011, 08:27 AM
Meadows was insane with the O line. No chance next week if he continues. He had a back up left tackle playing left guard on the last series. #71 had two major penalties when he was playing center. It almost appears as if the coaches have given up on the season. What do you think? Why doesn't Stig reign Meadows in?A good head coach would step in and put a stop to Meadows nuttiness. Neither one will have a job in a couple of years if they keep this stuff up. This was a very unproffesional job with the O line tonight. Not something other D I coaches would be doing.

I think we need to move Stig to an assistant coach position and try to bring in a DI coach. We are making coaching decisions that are too similar to our DII days. We may need to cough up some cash to get a medium profile coach, but it may work well.

JimmyJack
10-16-2011, 08:50 AM
We stuck 450-plus yards on a defense that was giving up less than 300 per game before last night. We lost because of mistakes the players made, not because the coaches didn't put the players in a position to win.

Facts are stubborn things.

Here are a couple of facts unrelated to coaching that are holding us back. 1) We have the smallest football budget in the league. If you don't think that matters, you're kidding yourselves. 2) Another issue is scheduling. While NDSU is beating up on bottom-25 teams they pay to come to Fargo for two easy wins, we're playing SUU and Cal Poly (and even then, we should have beaten Poly but for some very poor plays at one position... things might have played out very differently had we won that game.)

Until we fix the budget and scheduling (related issues) we won't be an every-year contender. We'll be an every 3-year contender in those years where the stars align and we have sufficient numbers of remarkable players (Sumner and Zenner in a couple years, for example).

All that said, I feel optimistic about the future after this rebuilding period. Sumner is the most talented QB we have had since Berry (and he's potentially even better than Berry). The kid is a freshman, and he is a gamer, moving around and keeping his eyes downfield. Three straight 300+ yard passing games. Does he make mistakes? Sure. He's a freshman. Think he'll be pretty good next year? The year after that? The year after that? When you have a good QB, you have a chance. How about Zenner? He has toughness and speed. We're not going to the playoffs. I'm going to enjoy watching these young players develop. And you never know what can happen when you have an offense that can move it 450 yards against UNI.

JackFan96
10-16-2011, 08:57 AM
Couple of plays really killed us. The 57 yard run, 80 yard TD pass, blown call on punt touchback/invisible pass interference stick out. But the even more frustrating thing to me is the penalties. Couple of the interceptions were headslappers(Moss had his defender outsized by at least 6 inches so why not throw the corner pass to him to outjump his defender???). Moss had an awesome catch in the first half. But the wideouts dropped a few too many balls. Punting game was solid. Also didn't like the whole theory of if a play works one time, let's run it the very next play. Also noticed the coaches finally realized we leave the middle of the field wide open so they started to drop someone back to the middle of the field in the second half (a couple games to late).

It's mostly just a matter of class. I wouldn't have noted it if it wasn't what he does regularly without ever noting that the coaches share the burden/blame. One rule of coaching, though it doesn't have to be followed without exception, is that the coach takes the blame but spreads the credit. I guess it first really rubbed me the wrong way after the Montana game when it was all on the players, but there was no mention of the obvious changes in coaching philosophy late in the game that also played a big role in the collapse. And if the same problems recur week after week as has been the case for nearly two seasons now, is it not a matter of coaching? Seems to me that, at least to some extent, it is.

slosho
10-16-2011, 09:03 AM
Here's I question I ask myself all too frequently. Why do we go for short plays on 3rd and long? These are the types of things that make me question the decision making of the staff. Yes we are very far away on budget. but will that change the play calling in situations like these? Drives me insane, because I know I'm no football genius but it seems like common logic to me. if someone can give me a logical argument why we do this I'll SDSU (Sit Down and Shut Up).

SturgisJeff
10-16-2011, 09:19 AM
Here's I question I ask myself all too frequently. Why do we go for short plays on 3rd and long? These are the types of things that make me question the decision making of the staff. Yes we are very far away on budget. but will that change the play calling in situations like these? Drives me insane, because I know I'm no football genius but it seems like common logic to me. if someone can give me a logical argument why we do this I'll SDSU (Sit Down and Shut Up).


some of that thinking is that they will catch the defense offguards because the d is thinking a play to the sticks is coming. throw it short or run it and hope the defense is back opening up a big gain. flaw in that pudding is that when you do it every time on long yardage the defensive coaches will be looking for you to do it again and have the d set for it. a lot of pro teams do it also, it aint just the Jacks. now if your a good coach and come up with a short yardage look that you can go long on....... to me it just looks like your concedeing that the d beat you and your going to punt anyways.

Jacks-02
10-16-2011, 09:25 AM
Here's I question I ask myself all too frequently. Why do we go for short plays on 3rd and long? These are the types of things that make me question the decision making of the staff. Yes we are very far away on budget. but will that change the play calling in situations like these? Drives me insane, because I know I'm no football genius but it seems like common logic to me. if someone can give me a logical argument why we do this I'll SDSU (Sit Down and Shut Up).

It's very hard to plan a 20+ yard pass play when the defense is scheming against it. Sometimes you have to take what the defense is giving you and try to catch them off guard. If Kool breaks through the line he has open field with DB's playing the pass. Not saying I completely agree with the call, but that's basically the theory behind it.

mitchellrabbit
10-16-2011, 09:37 AM
It's mostly just a matter of class. I wouldn't have noted it if it wasn't what he does regularly without ever noting that the coaches share the burden/blame. One rule of coaching, though it doesn't have to be followed without exception, is that the coach takes the blame but spreads the credit. I guess it first really rubbed me the wrong way after the Montana game when it was all on the players, but there was no mention of the obvious changes in coaching philosophy late in the game that also played a big role in the collapse. And if the same problems recur week after week as has been the case for nearly two seasons now, is it not a matter of coaching? Seems to me that, at least to some extent, it is.


Maybe Stig could hire you to write his after game speech to make sure he says all the right things. I seem to remember certain people complaining about the same thing with Nagys after game speeches. Putting all the blame on the players.

jackdaniel
10-16-2011, 10:28 AM
Another game where we were our own worst enemy. I had more to say but some how deleted it. Just imo we looked like the better team in the first half and felt uni was lucky to have a lead but they are a good team and took advantage of our mistakes.

Second half they made adustments that workd. Ours didn't. Sumner had a hard time because they were on our routes ans wrs really well in 2nd half. Way to many costly penalties.

D looked good when agressive. Just got worn out and lost its fire. Missed tackles and getting dragged by the other team as they get a first down even when hit well before the line is getting old.

The whole team should be in pink jerseys next week except our punter who flat out imo gets team mvp. Ouch that was tough to say. But its true. Most consistant performer.
Players are getting bigger and stonger,as well as faster,we are too small on defense because we want to maintain speed, we get dragged for a first down.I don't know if it's the players fault he's too small,maybe it's recruiting.Only the elite programs get the kid who are physicaly gifted with size, speed and strength.The only thing we can do is get there faster with more tacklers to assist bringing the guy down.Another observation ,this pertains to UNI, twice on 3rd and short, they made long pass plays.First time OK, but to catch us on it twice, kinda suspect.Are the players playing defense according to what our offense would do , rather than the opposition or what? Just a question.
I think the team as a whole ,though, are playing much , much, better and more intense.Good to see,these guy's are fighters.

SDSUAlum08
10-16-2011, 10:32 AM
We stuck 450-plus yards on a defense that was giving up less than 300 per game before last night. We lost because of mistakes the players made, not because the coaches didn't put the players in a position to win.

Facts are stubborn things.

Here are a couple of facts unrelated to coaching that are holding us back. 1) We have the smallest football budget in the league. If you don't think that matters, you're kidding yourselves. 2) Another issue is scheduling. While NDSU is beating up on bottom-25 teams they pay to come to Fargo for two easy wins, we're playing SUU and Cal Poly (and even then, we should have beaten Poly but for some very poor plays at one position... things might have played out very differently had we won that game.)

Until we fix the budget and scheduling (related issues) we won't be an every-year contender. We'll be an every 3-year contender in those years where the stars align and we have sufficient numbers of remarkable players (Sumner and Zenner in a couple years, for example).

All that said, I feel optimistic about the future after this rebuilding period. Sumner is the most talented QB we have had since Berry (and he's potentially even better than Berry). The kid is a freshman, and he is a gamer, moving around and keeping his eyes downfield. Three straight 300+ yard passing games. Does he make mistakes? Sure. He's a freshman. Think he'll be pretty good next year? The year after that? The year after that? When you have a good QB, you have a chance. How about Zenner? He has toughness and speed. We're not going to the playoffs. I'm going to enjoy watching these young players develop. And you never know what can happen when you have an offense that can move it 450 yards against UNI.


Great post JJ.

UWMandSDSU
10-16-2011, 10:42 AM
Don't know who 77 was on the O line, but he got destroyed every play he was in. He's not even on the program roster. I kid you not.

#77 is Andrew Mueller, who has been starting the last 2 weeks at TE (last 2 weeks he has been #95).

Jacks#1Fan
10-16-2011, 10:57 AM
It's mostly just a matter of class. I wouldn't have noted it if it wasn't what he does regularly without ever noting that the coaches share the burden/blame. One rule of coaching, though it doesn't have to be followed without exception, is that the coach takes the blame but spreads the credit. I guess it first really rubbed me the wrong way after the Montana game when it was all on the players, but there was no mention of the obvious changes in coaching philosophy late in the game that also played a big role in the collapse. And if the same problems recur week after week as has been the case for nearly two seasons now, is it not a matter of coaching? Seems to me that, at least to some extent, it is.

I have to disagree, and in fact, believe if you listen carefully to Coach Stig's comments, you will hear him bring coaches in on the responsibility issues almost every time, and when he "calls out players" or places the blame as you say, I think he is very careful to call out only players (and none by name) who make mistakes (and sometimes multiple mistakes), noting that it is the coaches responsibility to call those players out and as he said last night (paraphrased) "coach them up where they do not repeat those mistakes." He noted in his aftergame radio interview that a player (no name...but obviously a DB) had no run defense responsibilities on a formation, but immediately moved up to support the run defense, and missed his assignment on a player that then had a 20-yard advantage in hauling down a touchdown pass. Holy nutmeg!

tjbison
10-16-2011, 11:01 AM
We stuck 450-plus yards on a defense that was giving up less than 300 per game before last night. We lost because of mistakes the players made, not because the coaches didn't put the players in a position to win.

Facts are stubborn things.

Here are a couple of facts unrelated to coaching that are holding us back. 1) We have the smallest football budget in the league. If you don't think that matters, you're kidding yourselves. 2) Another issue is scheduling. While NDSU is beating up on bottom-25 teams they pay to come to Fargo for two easy wins, we're playing SUU and Cal Poly (and even then, we should have beaten Poly but for some very poor plays at one position... things might have played out very differently had we won that game.)

Until we fix the budget and scheduling (related issues) we won't be an every-year contender. We'll be an every 3-year contender in those years where the stars align and we have sufficient numbers of remarkable players (Sumner and Zenner in a couple years, for example).

All that said, I feel optimistic about the future after this rebuilding period. Sumner is the most talented QB we have had since Berry (and he's potentially even better than Berry). The kid is a freshman, and he is a gamer, moving around and keeping his eyes downfield. Three straight 300+ yard passing games. Does he make mistakes? Sure. He's a freshman. Think he'll be pretty good next year? The year after that? The year after that? When you have a good QB, you have a chance. How about Zenner? He has toughness and speed. We're not going to the playoffs. I'm going to enjoy watching these young players develop. And you never know what can happen when you have an offense that can move it 450 yards against UNI.

My god man let it go, we had the #1 team in the nation on slate to come in and THEY backed out but all we hear is NDSU is scheduling patsies but GSU chose to beat up on a wussy team. We had 1 option to fill that date and to credit Gene he will NOT schedule DII.

Now, didnt get to see the UNI game so I cant comment on that

jackdaniel
10-16-2011, 11:11 AM
Why shouldnt he blame the players? How many fumbles, interceptions and penalties did Stig have?

I like the way the Marines do it, they tear a guy down and build him up the way they want him.They don't tear a guy down and leave him there,feeling inadequate,useless.By the time they finish boot camp , they're ready to march to hell and back if need be.....maybe it's harder in sports to make a team believe in themselves to do more than they thought they were capable of?A coach is basiclly the head manager of the team, it's his job to correct people when they need correcting ,and also to lift them up when they are down too,among many things.I don't think any coach does all things perfectly, but they should have a good grasp of every situation,enough to maintain stability at least.You can't let your team slip away from you, their leader.You have to keep them believig in themslves,then good things happen.

jackdaniel
10-16-2011, 11:34 AM
I think with the way Sumners been throwing the football, i think the rest of the year and the rest of his carreer, teams will be looking to put more pressure on him.Farley more or less said that in his halftime interview,"their QB is throwing the ball way to well,we've got to get more pressure on him".We need a running game to take the pressure off, it's that simple.

rabidrabbit
10-16-2011, 11:52 AM
We're definitely a passing team, that will use the running game to avoid full out blitzes. I was very pleased to see Jacks start play by going to a 17 yd sideline route to start the game. Rather than our "normal" two runs between the tackles.

Agree about the two questionable zebra calls, and the -3 Turnovers ratio. Clean those TO's up and Jacks were right in the game.

sfjacksfan99
10-16-2011, 11:56 AM
That certainly felt like better than a 17 point loss to me. But the critical mistakes that have already been mentioned were the difference, duh. The other big play of the game that went the wrong way was going for it on 4th & 5 at the 25 in the 3rd quarter. Sumner had his man and just flat out missed. You can question going for it when we had the wind, which had picked up at that point, for a 42 yard field goal. But I thought it was probably the right call. I just had a feel there was only so long they could hold UNI without a score in the 2nd half. So, right call for me, bad outcome because UNI ends up scoring then after the Jacks didn't get it.

This running game is just flat out aggravating. I'm going to comment in the other thread, but geez, see the difference.

I honestly thought the o-line did an adequate job of protecting Sumner against what is supposed to be one of the top front 7's in the FCS. Heck the guy threw the ball 54 times and got sacked what, 3 times? The freshman quarterback just made too many freshman mistakes.

If I was NDSU I would be a little nervous. The Jacks are capable of beating them from what I saw last night. I would not have said the same three weeks ago.

sfjacksfan99
10-16-2011, 12:02 PM
We're definitely a passing team, that will use the running game to avoid full out blitzes. I was very pleased to see Jacks start play by going to a 17 yd sideline route to start the game. Rather than our "normal" two runs between the tackles.

Agree about the two questionable zebra calls, and the -3 Turnovers ratio. Clean those TO's up and Jacks were right in the game.

-4 on the turnovers. Last one in garbage time.

And yes, where's the home cookin'? The call on the punt was a big call. Does UNI run that play from the 2 yard line that they ran from the 20 for the 80 yard TD? Probably not because he needed some time to throw the ball and they likely aren't going to sit their QB in the end zone and wait for that play to develop.

Oh yeah and I forgot, UNI's punter was terrible. I was disappointed the Jacks didn't capitalize on all those line drive punts. Gant had one good return. I believe that was the one that led up to the 4th down the Jacks went for. But he also called a fair catch in the first half that was a real head scratcher.

Prairiehaas
10-16-2011, 12:08 PM
Sitting at the game I kept thinking the O-line had to hold blocks too long. Not trying to put this on Sumner, the young man is talented and smart, he has a bright future ahead. I just see a Freshman QB that hasn't quite caught up to the speed of the game. The young man starts making good decisions faster and this team will be very dangerous.

Something else, my son noted during the game that it looked to him like DB's seemd out of position at times. He wondered whether the team was buying into the schemes the coaching staff was giving them. I think we saw the result of that on the long TD pass by UNI.

JimmyJack
10-16-2011, 12:36 PM
My god man let it go, we had the #1 team in the nation on slate to come in and THEY backed out but all we hear is NDSU is scheduling patsies but GSU chose to beat up on a wussy team. We had 1 option to fill that date and to credit Gene he will NOT schedule DII.

Now, didnt get to see the UNI game so I cant comment on that

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough there. I'm not criticizing NDSU's scheduling. I think it's smart and I'm saying we need to schedule better, and that includes winnable, out-of-conference home games. The conference schedule is tough enough.

Facts:

Out-of-conference the last several years for NDSU = Lafayette, St. Francis, Wagner, USD, Wagner again, Austin Peay, Central Connecticut.

Meanwhile, those same years, we had SUU, Cal Poly, Delaware, Georgia Southern, Cal Poly twice more.

That doesn't mean NDSU is "soft" at all. The playoff run last year and the great start this year, including the domination of Minnesota, speak for themselves. The point is at the end of the year when the playoff teams are chosen, the first measure is how many wins do you have. If you're an MVFC team with 7, you're in the conversation. Once you're in, then strength-of-schedule means something for seeding. But NDSU has great fan support and facilities, so they can make a good case for a home game anyway.

Maybe by the end of the year, we're a better team than we otherwise would be because we played tougher out-of-conference teams. But that doesn't mean much if you're not in the playoff conversation because of an early loss or two.

tjbison
10-16-2011, 01:51 PM
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough there. I'm not criticizing NDSU's scheduling. I think it's smart and I'm saying we need to schedule better, and that includes winnable, out-of-conference home games. The conference schedule is tough enough.

Facts:

Out-of-conference the last several years for NDSU = Lafayette, St. Francis, Wagner, USD, Wagner again, Austin Peay, Central Connecticut.

Meanwhile, those same years, we had SUU, Cal Poly, Delaware, Georgia Southern, Cal Poly twice more.

That doesn't mean NDSU is "soft" at all. The playoff run last year and the great start this year, including the domination of Minnesota, speak for themselves. The point is at the end of the year when the playoff teams are chosen, the first measure is how many wins do you have. If you're an MVFC team with 7, you're in the conversation. Once you're in, then strength-of-schedule means something for seeding. But NDSU has great fan support and facilities, so they can make a good case for a home game anyway.

Maybe by the end of the year, we're a better team than we otherwise would be because we played tougher out-of-conference teams. But that doesn't mean much if you're not in the playoff conversation because of an early loss or two.

Understand and apologize, I like the patsy games to get the kids rolling but also would like to see good games. Its a toss up play a great team and get beat up lose confidence and tank the season, play patsy teams blow them out and hit the Conference schedule on a roll with minimal injurys? Either way I tailgate, attend, cheer, armchair QB on message boards and go nuts waiting for the next Saturday so It really dont matter to me

TK22867
10-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Upon review, I think the PI and touchback call were probably the correct ones. There appeared (from Section J) to be a little jersey grabbing going on. Anyone who saw the referee explain the touchback call to Stig (after the 80 yard bomb) could see it was probably the correct call.

The substitution of offensive lineman on every play is simply maddening. Those of you who refuse to blame Stig and his staff for some of this team's performance need to wake up. What's the over/under on NDSU plays over 50 yards next week? 2?

Stig did take a shot at the crowd. IMO, he should be thankful we still have NDSU and Hobo Day on the schedule instead of Missouri State and Western Illinois. He'd really b$tch about the attendance at those games.

RabbitObsessed
10-16-2011, 02:03 PM
Upon review, I think the PI and touchback call were probably the correct ones. There appeared (from Section J) to be a little jersey grabbing going on. Anyone who saw the referee explain the touchback call to Stig (after the 80 yard bomb) could see it was probably the correct call.

The substitution of offensive lineman on every play is simply maddening. Those of you who refuse to blame Stig and his staff for some of this team's performance need to wake up. What's the over/under on NDSU plays over 50 yards next week? 2?

Stig did take a shot at the crowd. IMO, he should be thankful we still have NDSU and Hobo Day on the schedule instead of Missouri State and Western Illinois. He'd really b$tch about the attendance at those games.

The touchback call was not correct. I was right there and when I saw it live, I thought it was wrong and the replay confirmed it. That was a miss by the officials.

SDSUAlum08
10-16-2011, 02:06 PM
My god man let it go, we had the #1 team in the nation on slate to come in and THEY backed out but all we hear is NDSU is scheduling patsies but GSU chose to beat up on a wussy team. We had 1 option to fill that date and to credit Gene he will NOT schedule DII.

Now, didnt get to see the UNI game so I cant comment on that


I think it's more of a compliment for how NDSU schedules. SDSU wishes they could schedule like you guys.

SDSUAlum08
10-16-2011, 02:08 PM
The touchback call was not correct. I was right there and when I saw it live, I thought it was wrong and the replay confirmed it. That was a miss by the officials.


I thought that in college football if the BALL crosses the plane of the endzone, then it's considered a touchback. If this is the correct rule, then it was the right call. If not, they made a big mistake.

mitchellrabbit
10-16-2011, 02:17 PM
I thought that in college football if the BALL crosses the plane of the endzone, then it's considered a touchback. If this is the correct rule, then it was the right call. If not, they made a big mistake.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/College-Football-2792/2009/10/NCAA-rule-touchback-during.htm

Looks like you are right and the official was right.

Prairiehaas
10-16-2011, 02:22 PM
Upon review, I think the PI and touchback call were probably the correct ones. There appeared (from Section J) to be a little jersey grabbing going on. Anyone who saw the referee explain the touchback call to Stig (after the 80 yard bomb) could see it was probably the correct call.


The PI may have been technically correct, the defender's hands were on the receiver's hips, but from Section D the ball really didn't look catchable. I think that call was poor, ticky-tacky.

RabbitObsessed
10-16-2011, 02:22 PM
Huh I did not know that part of the rule. I don't like that.

JimmyJack
10-16-2011, 02:23 PM
Understand and apologize, I like the patsy games to get the kids rolling but also would like to see good games. Its a toss up play a great team and get beat up lose confidence and tank the season, play patsy teams blow them out and hit the Conference schedule on a roll with minimal injurys? Either way I tailgate, attend, cheer, armchair QB on message boards and go nuts waiting for the next Saturday so It really dont matter to me

I'd vote for no injuries. Plus, a couple of wins, over whoever, surely gives your team confidence.

goon
10-16-2011, 02:45 PM
Players are getting bigger and stonger,as well as faster,we are too small on defense because we want to maintain speed, we get dragged for a first down.I don't know if it's the players fault he's too small,maybe it's recruiting.Only the elite programs get the kid who are physicaly gifted with size, speed and strength.The only thing we can do is get there faster with more tacklers to assist bringing the guy down.Another observation ,this pertains to UNI, twice on 3rd and short, they made long pass plays.First time OK, but to catch us on it twice, kinda suspect.Are the players playing defense according to what our offense would do , rather than the opposition or what? Just a question.
I think the team as a whole ,though, are playing much , much, better and more intense.Good to see,these guy's are fighters.

Our 3rd down pass zone coverage has givien up several big plays all year. Obviously other teams see we give up big plays when they pass down the seam. They need 3 yards and get 15.

SDSUAlum08
10-16-2011, 02:47 PM
http://en.allexperts.com/q/College-Football-2792/2009/10/NCAA-rule-touchback-during.htm

Looks like you are right and the official was right.

Thanks for looking that up. I said this right after it happened when I was watching it and thought they made the right call, but I couldn't be sure.

mitchellrabbit
10-16-2011, 02:50 PM
Upon review, I think the PI and touchback call were probably the correct ones. There appeared (from Section J) to be a little jersey grabbing going on. Anyone who saw the referee explain the touchback call to Stig (after the 80 yard bomb) could see it was probably the correct call.

The substitution of offensive lineman on every play is simply maddening. Those of you who refuse to blame Stig and his staff for some of this team's performance need to wake up. What's the over/under on NDSU plays over 50 yards next week? 2?

Stig did take a shot at the crowd. IMO, he should be thankful we still have NDSU and Hobo Day on the schedule instead of Missouri State and Western Illinois. He'd really b$tch about the attendance at those games.


Stig and his staff should get some of the blame. I just dont have a problem with what he said on the radio last night.

Im in section J also, a few rows below you. Someone sure had a big mouth up there. And calling the ref a retard was real intelligent.

tjbison
10-16-2011, 02:51 PM
I'd vote for no injuries. Plus, a couple of wins, over whoever, surely gives your team confidence.

Generally speaking I think Gene and Bohl go like this, 2 home games to get things rolling, then to the FBS game which can go either way, ill admit we have had some good luck and no matter what our team clicked against Minny this year and if we hadnt went into fluffy D they wouldnt have got the final TD to make the score closer, but generally its just common sense to hope to win and expect a loss against FBS. I am different and think we can win every game, my point being you play top 25 FCS games both will NOT be at home split them hopefully and take a loss to a FBS team your hitting the conference 1-2 and I can bet there would be injuries from brutal games. Fluffy scheduling has been working for Montana for 20 years so why not

TK22867
10-16-2011, 02:58 PM
http://en.allexperts.com/q/College-Football-2792/2009/10/NCAA-rule-touchback-during.htm

Looks like you are right and the official was right.

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner.

This is exactly what the official explained to Stig after the TD. He even used hand signals depicting the action so the crowd could see it.

In regards to the PI call, does the "uncatchable" rule apply in college ball too, or is it only the NFL?

I think we should take up a donation on this board for a new referee microphone sound system. Good Lord is it bad. Anytime the referee speaks it should be blared throughout the stadium so people know what the hell is going on. Perhaps he could of explained the punt touchback call to help appease the crowd.

TK22867
10-16-2011, 03:24 PM
Im in section J also, a few rows below you. Someone sure had a big mouth up there. And calling the ref a retard was real intelligent.

I didn't hear any comment like that in my neck of the woods, but I surely hope you are not directing that comment at me. You are smarter than that.

mitchellrabbit
10-16-2011, 03:35 PM
I didn't hear any comment like that in my neck of the woods, but I surely hope you are not directing that comment at me. You are smarter than that.

I didnt say it was you. I dont know how far behind me it was. You might have been to high to hear it. He first called the ref a stupid idiot, which i can handle but not the other word. Nobody around me thought the guy was funny.

goon
10-16-2011, 05:01 PM
Stig and his staff should get some of the blame. I just dont have a problem with what he said on the radio last night.

Im in section J also, a few rows below you. Someone sure had a big mouth up there. And calling the ref a retard was real intelligent.

What row you in J? Row 21 here and I didn't hear or notice it.

mitchellrabbit
10-16-2011, 05:40 PM
What row you in J? Row 21 here and I didn't hear or notice it.

row 6. Whoever it is said some funny things during the Indiana St game. Had everyone laughing. But he got a little sickening Sat. Maybe he had more to drink, i dont know. Apparently it was only a few rows behind me. I never turned around to look how far he was. You probably couldnt hear it from where you were.

Big Cat
10-16-2011, 06:03 PM
I agree with much of what has been said on this thread. The Jacks played tough the entire game and without the turnovers, we may have been discussing a different outcome. In speaking with UNI fans right after the game ended, we all agreed that it was the toughest 31 points the Panthers have put up this year. The game was much closer than the final score would indicate. I really like what I saw from your young QB, Sumner. (except for the picks). He'll be one of the best QB's in the league in another year or two. I'm not sure about that touchback call either. When I saw the replay I really thought the refs gave us a gift, but it was hard to tell if the ball crossed the plane of the goal line in the replay.
On a personal note, my son and I got to talk to several Jacks fans before, during and after the game and were totally impressed with the friendliness of everyone we spoke with. We took the advice of a couple of posters and visited Nick's before the game and filled our belly with 2 or 3 of those famous burgers. Thanks for that tip! The burgers were some of the best I have eaten. Best of luck to the Rabbits the rest of the season and please beat the Bizon turds next week!

Nidaros
10-16-2011, 07:50 PM
I agree with much of what has been said on this thread. The Jacks played tough the entire game and without the turnovers, we may have been discussing a different outcome. In speaking with UNI fans right after the game ended, we all agreed that it was the toughest 31 points the Panthers have put up this year. The game was much closer than the final score would indicate. I really like what I saw from your young QB, Sumner. (except for the picks). He'll be one of the best QB's in the league in another year or two. I'm not sure about that touchback call either. When I saw the replay I really thought the refs gave us a gift, but it was hard to tell if the ball crossed the plane of the goal line in the replay.
On a personal note, my son and I got to talk to several Jacks fans before, during and after the game and were totally impressed with the friendliness of everyone we spoke with. We took the advice of a couple of posters and visited Nick's before the game and filled our belly with 2 or 3 of those famous burgers. Thanks for that tip! The burgers were some of the best I have eaten. Best of luck to the Rabbits the rest of the season and please beat the Bizon turds next week!

I am happy that your experience in Brookings was a good one. Nicks sells hamburgers at the game too, and apparently closes up the shop at 4:30 on Saturday. I was trying to cheat the SDSU athletic department out of their cut as the Nicks are like 1.70 downtown and 2 bucks at the game. I got to the downtown shop at 4:40 to find they had closed for the day so went got a KFC dinner to go. Either choice is not good for this 70 year old diabetic.

Are you old enough to remember Buck Starbuck who coached the then Iowa Teachers before the name was changed to State College of Iowa and finally to U of Northern Iowa? He was an SDSU alum who played in the 1920's. I met his son a few years back when we elected Buck to the SDSU Hall of fame. Buck died in 1955 I believe. His son looked a great like the pictures of his dad and was really proud to accept the award.

UNI seems to be on track this year. Any word on the injury of the nose guard Boothsby? He would be a big loss to UNI if his season is finished. Hope it was only a sprain of some sort.

Walrus
10-16-2011, 08:59 PM
One thing I've noticed while watching the last 2 games from section H, is that the stands are heavily populated with fans who know more about the rules and pay much better attention to the game than the men in the striped shirts. :rolleyes: A number of them pointed out that UNI lined up offside and held on every offensive play.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Certainly this isn't a new development-I wasn't able to make it to any football or basketball games last year, but the year before and previous years as well have been equally bad at both Coughlin & Frost. Geez people that gets tiresome:mad:. Quit whining and cheer for the players. Do something that might have a positive influence. Stand up and yell on third down and leave the officials alone. If they do make a bad call, you won't change it.

Walrus
10-16-2011, 09:03 PM
An ardent supporter of the hometown team should go to a game prepared to take offense, no matter what happens.Robert Benchley (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Robert_Benchley/)
US actor, author, & humorist (1889 - 1945)--------------------Note that Robert Benchley was a humorist. This is a joke. Not words to live by.


And furthermore stay off my grass.;)

jackdaniel
10-16-2011, 09:06 PM
One thing I've noticed while watching the last 2 games from section H, is that the stands are heavily populated with fans who know more about the rules and pay much better attention to the game than the men in the striped shirts. :rolleyes: A number of them pointed out that UNI lined up offside and held on every offensive play.:rolleyes::rolleyes: Certainly this isn't a new development-I wasn't able to make it to any football or basketball games last year, but the year before and previous years as well have been equally bad at both Coughlin & Frost. Geez people that gets tiresome:mad:. Quit whining and cheer for the players. Do something that might have a positive influence. Stand up and yell on third down and leave the officials alone. If they do make a bad call, you won't change it.

What's most frustrating to Jacks fans,is that if the refs do make a bone headed bad call, it will most certainly be against the Jacks.You'd think the law of averages would kick in at some point.

Big Cat
10-17-2011, 09:08 AM
I am happy that your experience in Brookings was a good one. Nicks sells hamburgers at the game too, and apparently closes up the shop at 4:30 on Saturday. I was trying to cheat the SDSU athletic department out of their cut as the Nicks are like 1.70 downtown and 2 bucks at the game. I got to the downtown shop at 4:40 to find they had closed for the day so went got a KFC dinner to go. Either choice is not good for this 70 year old diabetic.

Are you old enough to remember Buck Starbuck who coached the then Iowa Teachers before the name was changed to State College of Iowa and finally to U of Northern Iowa? He was an SDSU alum who played in the 1920's. I met his son a few years back when we elected Buck to the SDSU Hall of fame. Buck died in 1955 I believe. His son looked a great like the pictures of his dad and was really proud to accept the award.

UNI seems to be on track this year. Any word on the injury of the nose guard Boothsby? He would be a big loss to UNI if his season is finished. Hope it was only a sprain of some sort.

I'm in my late 50's so no I don't remember Coach Starbuck. I have seen his picture on the Wall of Fame in the UNIdome, however. I do remember when the name was changed from ISTC to State College of Iowa. That name was only used for 2 years before the BOR decided it was too confusing between the three state school names and UNI was adopted as the official name. No word yet on Boothby. I'm guessing he'll have a full assessment on Monday and even then Coach Farley is pretty tight lipped about injuries so we may not know until game time with SIU this Saturday.

Nidaros
10-17-2011, 09:18 AM
I'm in my late 50's so no I don't remember Coach Starbuck. I have seen his picture on the Wall of Fame in the UNIdome, however. I do remember when the name was changed from ISTC to State College of Iowa. That name was only used for 2 years before the BOR decided it was too confusing between the three state school names and UNI was adopted as the official name. No word yet on Boothby. I'm guessing he'll have a full assessment on Monday and even then Coach Farley is pretty tight lipped about injuries so we may not know until game time with SIU this Saturday.

I remember Buck and I think the last time he came to Brookings back in the NCC days, he got a lot teasing from some of the old fans who no doubt are pushing up daiseys. A very good coach and a great athlete for the Jacks. I think he had a win streak at UNI for NCC games like maybe 30 or something like that. He always brought a good Panther team to Brookings, just like Farley did this past week.

shot_5533
10-17-2011, 03:46 PM
I like the way the Marines do it, they tear a guy down and build him up the way they want him.They don't tear a guy down and leave him there,feeling inadequate,useless.By the time they finish boot camp , they're ready to march to hell and back if need be.....maybe it's harder in sports to make a team believe in themselves to do more than they thought they were capable of?A coach is basiclly the head manager of the team, it's his job to correct people when they need correcting ,and also to lift them up when they are down too,among many things.I don't think any coach does all things perfectly, but they should have a good grasp of every situation,enough to maintain stability at least.You can't let your team slip away from you, their leader.You have to keep them believig in themslves,then good things happen.

True that. Rep points.

Otherwise, why have a coach when the players are responsible for everything?

Stig also took the credit after Illinois State when Mike Lien scored the defensive touchdown. Stig said "We coach them to do that." That is pointing out good coaching and Stig has every right in the world to do that. It is in fact very good coaching, Lien did not hesitate on the play.

Big Cat
10-17-2011, 07:42 PM
Some general observations about our trip to Brookings:
South Dakotans apparently like to live on the edge.
1. 75 mph speed limit on interstate highways.
2. Legal fireworks
3. Come October everyone big enough to carry one picks up a rifle or shotgun and goes after wild creatures of all types.

Seriously though, we were impressed with everthing we saw and all the people we met in Brookings. We took some time to walk around the campus and found it to be a very nice place. I have done some reading about SDSU and found that there is alot of animal research as well as seed and hybred development. My son says he had a friend transfer from UNI to join the forestry program at SDSU so obviously good things are being done on the campus in education as well as research. Very impressive! One of the SDSU alums we met showed us a concept drawing of the new football stadium and related areas that is being planned. I hope this comes to happen soon. CAS is OK but SDSU seems to have outgrown it and if you hope to be competitive in recuiting good athletes, it would help to point out a newer facility. It would probably help put more butts in the seats on gameday as well! Thanks to all of you who replied to my post asking for info. It was appreciated. Beat those hairy cows on Saturday!!

SDSUAlum08
10-17-2011, 08:24 PM
Some general observations about our trip to Brookings:
South Dakotans apparently like to live on the edge.
1. 75 mph speed limit on interstate highways.
2. Legal fireworks
3. Come October everyone big enough to carry one picks up a rifle or shotgun and goes after wild creatures of all types.

Seriously though, we were impressed with everthing we saw and all the people we met in Brookings. We took some time to walk around the campus and found it to be a very nice place. I have done some reading about SDSU and found that there is alot of animal research as well as seed and hybred development. My son says he had a friend transfer from UNI to join the forestry program at SDSU so obviously good things are being done on the campus in education as well as research. Very impressive! One of the SDSU alums we met showed us a concept drawing of the new football stadium and related areas that is being planned. I hope this comes to happen soon. CAS is OK but SDSU seems to have outgrown it and if you hope to be competitive in recuiting good athletes, it would help to point out a newer facility. It would probably help put more butts in the seats on gameday as well! Thanks to all of you who replied to my post asking for info. It was appreciated. Beat those hairy cows on Saturday!!

Attendance will be a lot better this weekend. Once this stadium gets built and recruitment picks up, I think you'll see a nice bump in SDSU's football program. However, it might be 10 years away right now.